/home/bill/Projects/NPA - physics/140531 NPA Bob de Hilster - gravity group.txt Bob De Hilster - World's most perfect sphere - http:// ?youtube? - NPA - Bob de Hilster's history of involve - next gravity group meeting is in September 2009 NPA sponsored 3 Interest groups : - Gravity - Bob de Hilster - Relativity - Harry Ricker - Structures - ?Don Bridell/Brinell? - have Monday morning meetings, don't know if this continues Lou LaFollette to Everyone: They are continuing according to Don. He says they have become semi- independent. de Hilster: An EM theory of gravity - Paul Schroeder, Arthur Ramthun, Robert de Hilster; to present in September -> also need groups for [particle, relativity, vortex] theories for gravity ***************************** Howell's comments : Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Planc's constant - I seem to remember a key argument by ?Barry Stterfield? related to "zero point energy", that neither h not c are constants over time, but ""hc" is (or h/c?). Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Bill Lucas' gravity suggests that gravity is NOT free - it decays slowly due to emissions (at CMBR temperature of 1.5 Kelvin?). Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: David de Hilster - "Einstein wrong - The miracle year" http://einsteinwrong.com Can we buy the DVD? Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: James Wrigth - you can talk to Bob so he mutes you? (auditory suicide) Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: It is the DIVERGENCE over time of weights of the standards that is especially interesting. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: David de Hilster : Good point - rejection of data in the absence of mechanisms! Key, consistent failure of modern science... Like Halton Arp's situation and many other situations. **************************** Others comments that caught my eye Ed Dowdye - Moon's tidal effect - moon drifts away from the Earth, currently blamed on tidal effect. Bob de Hilter's point that gravity is not free is a good point. Franklin Hu - interesting that platinum/iridium standards diverge in weight over time! Anton Vrba - To avoid being seen as crackpots - pose questions (more than answers?) I would like to be involved in an NPA policy on this. David de Hilster - I agree there is a problem when we pose a solution - becomes a power play. Alpha male situations. Vrba is going in right direction. Anton Vrba - Just start a "New NPA" **************************** Full chat stream Al Schrader to Everyone: Good morning Franklin Hu to Everyone: I can hear Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: I can hear Al Schrader to Everyone: One I have is smaller Franklin Hu to Everyone: We are getting an echo Ian Cowan to Everyone: Bad echo Franklin Hu to Everyone: CAN EVERYONE MUTE David de Hilster to Everyone: dad, mute your audio Greg Volk2 to Everyone: I did Al Schrader to Everyone: Sphere is made of atoms and each atom is an endpoint to a pentagon or hexagon Al Schrader to Everyone: hexagon Al Schrader to Everyone: The sphere is covered with flats Len Danczyk to Everyone: why has video and audio from it stopped? Al Schrader to Everyone: It weighs less in air than in a vacuum Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Not me Len Danczyk to Everyone: has resumed for me Franklin Hu to Everyone: Still stopped for me. David de Hilster to Everyone: depends on your internet speed Al Schrader to Everyone: I tried the Google goggles but get a gaggle of data Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Planc's constant - I seem to remember a key argument by ?Barry Stterfield? related to "zero point energy", that neither h not c are constants over time, but ""hc" is (or h/c?). Greg Volk to Everyone: yup Al Schrader to Everyone: yes Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: I can hear yioiu Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Yes Al Schrader to Everyone: The limit is he iron atoms Al Schrader to Everyone: the Al Schrader to Everyone: An atom becomes heavier if you heat it Franklin Hu to Everyone: Does not, where's your experiment? Al Schrader to Everyone: To heat an atom you add photons baunes to Everyone: the sphre at the institut e is claimed to be apriximately one kg, so its "not absolute" Al Schrader to Everyone: ok Al Schrader to Everyone: There is less gravity on he Moon Lou LaFollette to Everyone: 207 -242-2143 needs to mute. We hear you Al Schrader to Everyone: Avogadro's number is more accurate Ian Cowan to Everyone: Please all but speaker mute - there's background noise Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Thank you. Al Schrader to Everyone: It's not the Higgs Boson Ian Cowan to Everyone: Through Paris - Great Circles vary Al Schrader to Everyone: If you warm the bar it gets longer Al Schrader to Everyone: time Al Schrader to Everyone: Looking for constants baunes to Everyone: not quite baunes to Everyone: scientist believe (which) that quatz clock was more stable than the "solar day", so they redefine "second via quatz clock (actially to the Cs clock now) Al Schrader to Everyone: Quartz chrystals are controlled by inertia Al Schrader to Everyone: UI recently spoke to Charlie Duke last man on the Moon Al Schrader to Everyone: There is less inertia on the Moon Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: the global warming will expand Earth and change the meter Al Schrader to Everyone: Good point Al Schrader to Everyone: Weights and measures change but not atoms Al Schrader to Everyone: Avogadro's number is a mole weight of an element - far more accurate Glenn Baxter to Everyone: "These experts" Harry? baunes to Everyone: pehaps an atom's mass changes in time. We dont know. We just believe/assume that it does maintain its mass. Al Schrader to Everyone: Good point Franklin Hu to Everyone: Link to mass change chart: Franklin Hu to Everyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram dowdye to Everyone: The Gradient field of Gravity affects ALL Mater, the Cesiium atoms of atomic clocks, the tidal effects of the waters of the Earth, the Moon's graviy causes the ground of the Earth to shift, "We actually weigh less when the Moon is directly above us or directly below us. Al Schrader to Everyone: Few things are absolute Al Schrader to Everyone: The Universe is balanced dowdye to Everyone: NOBODY has even seen a Graviton or know what it is. Galileo knew as much as what we know today about gravity. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Bill Lucas' gravity suggests that gravity is NOT free - it decays slowly due to emissions (at CMBR temperature of 1.5 Kelvin?). Al Schrader to Everyone: I discovered the graviton Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: congratullation Al Schrader to Everyone: TY Anton Vrba to Everyone: JAMES WRIGHT please mute your mike baunes to Everyone: two (free) objects in relative constant velocity use no energy. Al Schrader to Everyone: Not everything Einstein said holds Glenn Baxter to Everyone: I have not seen the film. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: James Wright - We hear you. Ted Erikson to Everyone: "COST" is $….or light or mass energy Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: inflation makes gravity stronger Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: David de Hilster - "Einstein wrong - The miracle year" http://einsteinwrong.com Can we buy the DVD? Anton Vrba to Everyone: JAMES WRIGHT PLEASE MUTE YOUR MIKE dowdye to Everyone: Can I have a Mic for a ninute? Al Schrader to Everyone: Flags get addressed at the end dow dowdye to Everyone: May I have a Mic Please? Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Can Greg come back and mute James? David de Hilster to Everyone: robert de. hilster can mute them. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Bob- We can see that it is James Wright making the noise. David says you can mute him. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: James Wrigth - you can talk to Bob so he mutes you? (auditory suicide) Al Schrader to Everyone: Sounds interesting Al Schrader to Everyone: Yes I verified this with the McDonald Observatory Al Schrader to Everyone: There is a laser ranging mirror on the Moon Al Schrader to Everyone: The Moon is giaing mass Al Schrader to Everyone: gaining Al Schrader to Everyone: I still have the first piece of graviton matrix ever made if anyone is interested Franklin Hu to Everyone: picture of mass changes of 1kg standard: Franklin Hu to Everyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prototype_mass_drifts.jpg Lou LaFollette to Everyone: They are continuing according to Don. He says they have become semi- independent. Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: I get no emails from the gravity group so how do they communicate? dowdye to Everyone: Bob I will be happy to work with you, we can Skype or Email for starts. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Cornelis - These on-line meetings constitute the primary communication. You can volunteer to work more closely with Bob. Al Schrader to Everyone: Where in Florida ? Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: All the mail I send to gravity@worldsci.org ends up in a black hole with no response. I do not have this issue with relativity@worldsci.org Al Schrader to Everyone: LoL Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Bob - You have done an admirable job. We appreciate it. Al Schrader to Everyone: Yes Bob you're great Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Aether is another common topic. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Are you not going to be present in September? baunes to Everyone: Gains weight becaus of McDonalds Al Schrader to Everyone: Big Macs Al Schrader to Everyone: Meteors and asteroids Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: It is the DIVERGENCE over time of weights of the standards that is especially interesting. Len Danczyk to Everyone: gravity is increasing since the earths' mass is slowly increasing Al Schrader to Everyone: You got it Len Nick Percival to Everyone: The Expanding Earth thesis assumes gravity is weakening and hence, objects would be LOSING gravitational mass. Al Schrader to Everyone: I found it while drilling for oil Al Schrader to Everyone: It's in layers Nick Percival to Everyone: OK - accumulating new material is another thesis. Al Schrader to Everyone: I ca show you core samples - not theory Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: David de Hilster : Good point - rejection of data in the absence of mechanisms! Key, consistent failure of modern science... Like Halton Arp's situation and many other situations. Al Schrader to Everyone: Yeah the sphere is distorted Al Schrader to Everyone: NPA needs a grant Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Al - Have you made a presentation on your discovery? If not, could you do so? Al Schrader to Everyone: I only have Sat mornings avail Al Schrader to Everyone: Found it back in the 70's while oil prospecting Al Schrader to Everyone: Check with Haliburton Lou LaFollette to Everyone: I second David's endorsement of Bob's effort. Al Schrader to Everyone: Thanks Dad ! Len Danczyk to Everyone: Al - Is there a group or contact at Haliburton? Al Schrader to Everyone: Try core sample equipment. Another good source is book "Our Industry Petroleum" Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Good point, Anton. Al Schrader to Everyone: Haliburton is an oil services company Len Danczyk to Everyone: OK - thanks Paul Schroeder to Everyone: Bob's contribution to our weekly pushing gravity paper development are as extensive as what he contributes here. Bob's a very smart and dedicated person Len Danczyk to Everyone: PS - would love to see your pushing gravity paper draft Al Schrader to Everyone: We've come a long way from first discovering the wheel, but there is an enormous amount still not known. A lot is still to come. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Agreed, Al. MS. science tries to present the image that we already know most of what is to be known. According to them we are only working on the details. Greg Volk2 to Everyone: Bob to Paul - Thank you! enddoc