/home/bill/Projects/NPA - physics/140517 NPA Anton Lorenz Vrba - Spatial Objects: From Maxwell to Why Clocks Tick as They Do.txt
https://www.fuzemeeting.com/fuze/launch/a436ca23/24581267
Awesome description (quotes) of Einstein's 1920 re-invocation of aether and what it means.
absolutivity.org/pdfs/npa/vrba-may17.pdf
Anton self-published a book ?"title"? on ?Beetlejuice?
Approximately 28 attendees.
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Howell's comments (my written notes of verbal exchange):
Inertial mass DECREASES with increaing speed? Very interesting - seems to contrast with usual relativistic asumption?
Is this correcting for a point particle assumption to some degree
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Others comments that caught my eye
Anton Vrba - There is no such thing as a strong force or a weak force. eg Sunspot activity affets decay rates.
Bill Lucas NASA extreme ultravilet spectral lines must be measured i space) - 12 new Hydrogen lines - quatum numbers are 1.2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/7 (?others?)
Harry Ricker
- aether according to Anton
- absolute reference frame - 3 or 4D?
Anton - at least 4 dimensional
Greg Volk - frequencies involve rotations, interactions of frequencies involve rottional interactions, giving rise to quantization
Anton Vrba - Sort of yes.
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Full chat stream
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
barking.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Nick, send me the same list.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
That makes no sense to have a medium where motion doesn't apply.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Motion relative to what?
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
The walls are moving, so it isn't stationary - at least something is moving, so I don't thin it it is comparable.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Waves pass through each other undisturbed, particles collide which denys the wave explanation for particles.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Wave do no pass undisturbed, the too interfere.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
There is interference, but nothing like direct reflection as observed by particles.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Good morning
Al Schrader to Everyone:
No circles exist - all are polygons which terminate at individual atoms
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Is why Pi has many digits, each is a corner
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
I'm lost, what does this spatial math has to do with physics. All greek to me :)
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Paths of motion can be circular.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Paths of motion terminate at graviton impacts
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Not sure what that means, Al.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Clocks are regulated by inertia
Al Schrader to Everyone:
To Jeff to have a circular motion an object must be deflected
Nick Percival to Everyone:
What's needed is more description of the concepts and physics rather than just going thru a series of equations.
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Okay, yes, but the path is still circular, just not the lines of force.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The path is a polygon
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The Earth, for example, orbits the Sun in a polygon
Joe Bova to Everyone:
This math represent the standard solutions to the wave equation. This is how we describe motion of wave in space. The forms fo these solutions are the same in EM and QM.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Clocks have an escapement that measures inertia, even atomic clocks
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
De Broglie Hypothesis.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
If you take an alarm clock to the Moon it will spin out of control.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I've discussed this with Charlie Duke - lunar astronaut
Joe Bova to Everyone:
NO NO NO. Wave interfere!!!
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I agree with Franklin, no magic
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Yes Joe they add and subtract also
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Sine function
Howell, Bill - Alberta to Franklin Hu:
I want to see the math!!!!
Joe Bova to Everyone:
I know that most people here have a problem with QED, but this is exactly what this mathematics shows, that particles can be modeled as waves.
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Or a phonon too. Great, Bill.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Photons appear to travel in waves but have a smaller orbiting particle
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Phonons...not photons.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I like it
Al Schrader to Everyone:
phonon
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
When I was reading about solitons, there was a simulation showing colliding solitons passing right through each other undisturbed.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Phonons, yes, quantitized vibrational energy dispersion
Al Schrader to Everyone:
relative
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Yes, Joe.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
You car is moving on an EArth that is moving in a solar system that is orbiting the Milkyway Galaxie
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
I'd like to see waves to exhibit elastic collision characteristics.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Joe, you aware of the billion light experiment underway ?
Al Schrader to Everyone:
billion dollar
Joe Bova to Everyone:
I know that there is lots of work optics (my field) but not a billion dollar experiment.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Joe look online It's an "L" shaped facility
Alfred Nobel to Everyone:
Misuse and misrepresentation of Newton's First Law. It is 300 years old, and not refuted by anyone but the last two speakers.
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Actually, that's kind of interesting.
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Yes...I'd like to hear more.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Yes me too
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Yes, complex numbers are simply a measure of a vector rotating about a point. This is the basis of differential geometry
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Yes X Y Z but you have i and j
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Or 5 axis. I used tis to develop the 5D printer
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
This seems to be going into the the Math as physics methodology. But math isn't physics.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Equations do not make waves or particles.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Yes Frank, but it all works according to math
John Wsol to Everyone:
The Aether "Dominate Field" creates a context in which these vortex (corkscrew shaped) which, basically, are the root cause of particles. It is really a double corkscrew in which the inner spirals have the charge radius of the resultant particle, and the larger outer radius is the manifestation of the partcle size as a function of its energy density (mass).
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Math is the language of physics
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Math should only be used to make predictions which can be validated by experiments.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Physics should initially based on physical models, I see none of that here so far.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Franklin, as an engineer, we use math to model reality, not predict it.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Nope, other way around, we use math to do predictions to validate our models.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
If all you've got is a blackboard of equations like string theory, you aren't doing physics.'
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
Math may be used accurately in a variety of ways and for a variety of purposes.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I tied up the string theory loose ends to get the clothsline theory
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
All I'm saying is math can be overused and well beyond where it is appropriate.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
I would say, that without the mathematics, there is no way to communicate the physics.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Here the math is apt.
Miguel Kovac to Everyone:
Good morning, hypothetical model are needed
Miguel Kovac to Everyone:
... in order to describe the physical performance
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I'm missing the purpose of this equation
Peter Sujak to Everyone:
Using matematics we hide not understanding the phzsical action
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Equations do not keep an object in motion
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I agree Frank, but they can help explain the questions
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Franklin, you are correct. However, the math can accurately describe the motion
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Isn't this just equating wave motion with inertia? Then what keeps the wave motion going?
Al Schrader to Everyone:
A particle
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Asymtotes
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Yes light slows
Joe Bova to Everyone:
These eqation represent a particle at a point in space, There is no time component. We can treat the physical geometry separately from the time evolution in many cases, but not all. One case where we cannot is when the particles are confined and in motion
Howell, Bill - Alberta to Franklin Hu:
Inertial mass DECREASES with increaing speed? Very interesting - seems to contrast with usual relativistic asumption?
John Wsol to Everyone:
Beautiful!
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Inertia and gravity are proportional - both are caused by the same particle - gravitons
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Steven Hawkings has just said he made a mistke with black holes
Howell, Bill - Alberta to John Wsol:
Again - beautiful..
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I agree. Newest supercapacitors use carbon foam
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Yes but dialectric is a factor
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Why ?
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
This isn't explaining what's the differnce between a positive or negative charge field.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Different dialectrics have different "Q"
Joe Bova to Everyone:
This is an interesting concept. we know that we cannot measure the "imaginarly" part of a complex quantity
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Different dielectics have different permittivities, which allow different Q for the same geometry
John Wsol to Everyone:
Positive vs. Negative is a function of the net right-vs.left handed spirals that manifest as the charge, mass of the "particle".
Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone:
Is this correcting for a point particle assumption to some degree?
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I agree Joe but why ?
Al Schrader to Everyone:
This is a critical technology for superbrid cars
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
If charge were a matter of left or right handed spin, then I could take a right handed spin, turn it around and it becomes a left handed spin, so electrons should convert to positrons just by turning in their direction facing us. They don't, so I reject such explanations.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Al, I look at it as density of charges, that is, the vacuum has the lowest density of avaliable charges, but something like glass has significantly more.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I agree Franklin but just recently tests are showing free neutron become a proton and an electron in 15 minutes or less
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Thanks Joe
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Neutron decay isn't related to electrons turning into positrons.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
True
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I have placed a clock on a 26 inch centrifuge and spun it for some time with no loss or gain of even one relative second
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Welcome Dr. Nobel!
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Mechanical or electrical clock
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Digital
Howell, Bill - Alberta to Bill Lucas:
Fourth order x term. How muc of this overlaps with with the Universal Force? Is it missing the higher-order corrections to Heaviside's 4-vector simplicifcation of Maxwell's equations? Seems to have mised a couple of the 6 electro-magetic principles (Mach?)?
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I like absolutetivity
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Why doesn't Dr. Einstein ever attend?
Al Schrader to Everyone:
lol
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The center of the Earth is a solid magnetic asteroid
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
http://absolutivity.org/pdfs/npa/vrba-may17.pdf
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The math is good
Jaythree to Everyone:
A tour de force.
John Wsol to Everyone:
I agree, and the manifestation of the "Dark Flow" is an indication of spherical geometry.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The cosmc microwave background is light slowing down to microwave speeds
John Wsol to Everyone:
Good point Greg -- I'll be contemplating it this week.
Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone:
Voice quality is not nclear (fuzzy sound) - hard to hear
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Protons take on and discard photons. You can observe this with night vision goggles
Al Schrader to Everyone:
If you heat a metal the photons boiling away will throw the electrons free as in a radio vacumm tube
Jeff Cook to Everyone:
I enjoyed this...but I gotta run now. Thanks, Anton.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The electron is held in orbit around the proton by inertia
Al Schrader to Everyone:
The orbit diameter depends on the temp of the proton and emf
Al Schrader to Everyone:
If you heat a proton the photons blasting away "push" the electron to a larger orbit. Too much and it takes off
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
There are a number of problems with electrons "orbiting" most of which defy basic electrodynamic laws.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
If you chill the proton enough, the blasting photons reduce enough to create a superconductor
Al Schrader to Everyone:
You can test the electron orbits by lning them up in iron so they are in the same plane - result is a magnet
John Wsol to Everyone:
Franklin, the electrion's wave function is smeared out to the distance of the Borh radius, EVEN when it is NOT "orbiting" a proton.
John Wsol to Everyone:
The rate that it is smeared is tied to the Planck-time rate.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Yeah, baby, no strong or weak forces!
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
I never liked strong and weak forces.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
Yes, decay is caused by neutrinos, not weak forces, now explain away the strong force.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Tired light causes the red shift
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to do that experiment on earth. Just put your sensor in the same bell jar as the hydrogen discharge.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Good question.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
I agree Franklin but I think NASA is observing hydrogen spectral lines from different distances
Al Schrader to Everyone:
Light slows over huge distances
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Dr. de Broglie is not carved in stone.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Good point.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
That's Einstein's real mistake, aether is a ponderable media.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
He's basically saying that "something" is "nothing" which is utter nonsense.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Not so sure.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Non sense is non sense.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
I like that.
John Wsol to Everyone:
I have discovered the 4D properties of the Space Medium (an elastic fluid under negative pressure) has a mass density of 1.1733x10^-48 gm per time quantum.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
I don't think that space can have characteristics if it doesn't consist of anything. That is also nonsense.
Al Schrader to Everyone:
How did you do this John ?
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
How can "nothing" produce a finite speed for light?
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
A void can have characteristics.
Franklin Hu to Everyone:
A true void has no characteristics besides dimension.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Don't know, but it does.
John Wsol to Everyone:
Franklin, reframe you question like this: "It does not make sense for space to be empty, BECAUSE, it has properties as electric permittivity, magnetic permeability, impedance. Not to mention all the Planck units.
John Wsol to Everyone:
4D-space!
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
No. A void has permittivity and permiability.
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Which means that it has physical characteristics!
John Wsol to Everyone:
By definition, something that does NOT actually exist, MUST not have ANY properties.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
So, we have fourth dimensional chocolate?
Joe Bova to Everyone:
Thank you Anton. I really enjoyed your talk.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Seriously, I do not rule out demensions.
Howell, Bill - Alberta to Peter Sujak:
Your sound quality is much better now.
John Wsol to Everyone:
Glenn, not chocolate, but rather, an elastic fluid, which is the Space-Time medium for all oscillations, wheither its light propogating through space or "particle-waves" propogating through time.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
I like Anton.
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
Good discussion today.
Anton Vrba to Everyone:
Thanks Glenn, I am always open to questions alv@absolutivity.org
Osvaldo Domann to Everyone:
Thank you Greg and Anton
Glenn Baxter to Everyone:
And thanks Greg, I think Anton's math needs to be looked at carefully.
Dionysios G. Raftopoulos to Everyone:
Thank you Anton and Greg. Thanks everybody.
...I accidentally cancelled off web before questions completed, listened but did't capture chats.
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