/home/bill/Projects/NPA - physics/140510 NPA Chris Provatidis - A Possible Theory for Particle Composition of Matter Based on Only Three Functional Quantum Particles.txt https://www.fuzemeeting.com/fuze/launch/a436ca23/24419971 This work presents the possibility of revising the standard model of subatomic composition of matter, extending the “inverse square law” from gravity and electric fields to also the thermal effects. It is shown that assuming only three proposed particles and only three relevant interactions, simple explanations can be provided for all natural phenomena, particularly those in which the existing theory does not provide documental and convincing answers. The paper starts with the description of a unique reaction between two types of the proposed subatomic particles thus producing the so-called ‘thermions’ that finally form an elastic Cubic Energy Grid under mechanical stress. Then the existence of the three known phases of matter is explained. The meaning of ‘heat’ is redefined without focusing on the usual kinetic energy of atoms and molecules. The elimination of anomalies in a closed system is explained through an asymmetrical oscillation. Also, the paper attempts a new interpretation of the creation of the universe from a huge electric discharge based on the simultaneous creation of the three subatomic particles. It describes ‘monopoles’ as the first quantized agglomerates of pure energy and explains why they bound to form ‘dipoles’, which later progressively form larger agglomerates. In the sequence, it describes the crystallization as a first resistance line that the nature foresight to avoid the self-destruction of the universe. The paper closes with possible models of electron and positron as well as of neutron and proton based on only the three proposed subatomic particles. At the same time, the equivalent mass of a thermion as well as the quanta of positive and negative electric charges is determined. ***************************** Howell's comments (my written notes of verbal exchange): I had trouble following what the speaker was saying (kind or raspy, tinny sound that muffled the voice). Perhaps it was the microphone, or Skype - maybe my system, but Greg comes in clearly? I quit early. I didn't send any of these ... Somehow this reminds me of (is a down-extension to a primary particle aether) : "... Big whirls have little whirls, that feed on their velocity. Little whirls have lesser whirls, and so on to viscosity. ..." [A play on Augustus De Morgan's rewording of Jonathan Swift, "Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum." (A Budget of Paradoxes, 1915)]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Fry_Richardson Did Max Planck (or anyone else) ever show a mass increse with heat gain? (Franklin Hu vbeat me to the blog - again) **************************** Others comments that caught my eye Franklin Hu to Everyone: Why would space have these density differences? Franklin Hu to Everyone: Regions of identical densities do not attract or repel each other. **************************** Full chat stream Franklin Hu to Everyone: Why would space have these density differences? Franklin Hu to Everyone: Regions of identical densities do not attract or repel each other. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Regions of identical densities attract each other uniformly. Franklin Hu to Everyone: What keeps these balls of blue and red desities together Franklin Hu to Everyone: Seems highly unlikely Franklin Hu to Everyone: In order to get rid of the Strong force, you would have to explain what keeps the nucleus together which generally means rewritting atomic structure. Al Schrader to Everyone: Nucleus is held together by gravitons Al Schrader to Everyone: good morning Al Schrader to Everyone: Yes the amount of heat is directly proportional to E = mc^2 Al Schrader to Everyone: The molecules are not vibrating, they are being pushed Al Schrader to Everyone: If you apply more heat to a gas for example, the pressure increases Isaac Newton to Everyone: If all theee k's are equal. Then mathematically there is not difference between theta and q (theta = q). If the k's are equal then equation (1) and equation (3) are equal! Isaac Newton to Everyone: What group has discovered or measured monopoles. I don't know of any research where monopoles have been discovered! Only diploes exist in nature. Franklin Hu to Everyone: If you have an isolated electron, that only has negative charge or monopole. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Unseparatable dipoles are associated with magnetic poles, not charges. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Ok if you want to look at a charge as monopole then ok! But there are no "Magnetic Monopoles", which is what Provatidis is explaining! Franklin Hu to Everyone: I don't think he's gotten to magentic forces yet. Isaac Newton to Everyone: I want clarity as to whether Provatidis is speaking of electric monopoles or magnetic monopoles, when he uses the term monopole? Al Schrader to Everyone: All heat is photons Franklin Hu to Everyone: I think he can only be referring to electric monopoles as he speaks of charge. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Welcome Dr. Newton! Isaac Newton to Everyone: I don't care what you think. I want to know what the speaker is stating! Franklin Hu to Everyone: Speaker is stating charge Al Schrader to Everyone: Yes mass increases by heating. Al Schrader to Everyone: You can separate hot gases from cold by spinning them in a cetrifuge Franklin Hu to Everyone: I'd like to see an experiment showing heat adds mass, I don't think that happens. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: That is density, not mass. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: I agree, Al Schrader to Everyone: You can go online and order a venturi to separate hot gases from cold Al Schrader to Everyone: Hot gases are heavier. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Once again, what you think is irrelevant. It is proven that adding heat to a closed system adds mass to that system. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Dr. Einstein did no such thing. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Huh? That doesn't show heat adds mass. That separates due to density differences as Glen said. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Huh? Huh? Al Schrader to Everyone: Heat is photons. If you add photons, it gains mass. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Prove it with an experiment, it doesn't matter what you think, you have to prove it with experiment - where's the beef? Glenn Baxter to Everyone: What is a photon? Joe Bova to Everyone: Ah, but photons are supposed to be massless:-) Al Schrader to Everyone: Protons are made of photons. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Everything is made of chocolate. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Anyone able to show me an experiment where mass increases due to heat? Isaac Newton to Everyone: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/thermalP/Lesson-2/Measuring-the-Quantity-of-Heat Ted Erikson to Everyone: Real question is "What IS energy"? Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: Al, photons are massless Al Schrader to Everyone: Yes, spin air in a venturi. The warmer atoms fly out Al Schrader to Everyone: Photons have a tiny mass Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Energy comes from chocolate. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Magnetism comes from peanut butter. Al Schrader to Everyone: Photons are energy and E in Einstein's equation Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Dr. Einstein was wrong. Franklin Hu to Everyone: The quantity of heat reference is only saying how much heat a mass can absorb, it says nothing about heat adding mass. Al Schrader to Everyone: If you smash a proton, you get photons. I've done in my lab here in Florida Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Dr. Einstein did not like chocolate. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Ever heard of conservation! Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Yes, conservation of chocolate. Isaac Newton to Everyone: Hu where did you learn physics? Glenn Baxter to Everyone: I do not know what has gotten into me today. Franklin Hu to Everyone: MIT Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: Chocolate is not conserved when I eat it. Ted Erikson to Everyone: Don't "think" and violate conservation! Isaac Newton to Everyone: Then YOU need to go back and review your classroom notes! Al Schrader to Everyone: Chocolate becomes phosphorous, potassium, and nitrogen Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Al if you smash objects together you get sound. It does not mean the sound was in this objects. Al Schrader to Everyone: Squeeze the protons under pressure Franklin Hu to Everyone: Nope, logic demands that if mass increases with heat, that should be experimentally measureable, no experiments means it doesn't happen. Al Schrader to Everyone: You get star light Isaac Newton to Everyone: It is measured! Franklin Hu to Everyone: Show me. Isaac Newton to Everyone: No. You look for it. Franklin Hu to Everyone: See, you can't find it, you lose. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Cop out. Isaac Newton to Everyone: You might learn something in the research. Al Schrader to Everyone: Hu I told you spin hot atoms in a venturi Franklin Hu to Everyone: I did, found out about quantity of heat Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Dr. Newton, are you THE Dr .Newton? Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Al bend a stick to the breaking point and it makes a sound. Franklin Hu to Everyone: If it happens, I should be able to weigh a block of steel, then heat it, it should be heavier. Al Schrader to Everyone: Stick doesn't make the sound. Stick smacking the air makes the sound Al Schrader to Everyone: It is heavier Glenn Baxter to Everyone: I hope the Main Stream is not here. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Prove it with a documented experiment Al Schrader to Everyone: If you chill the steel it gets smaller and lighter Isaac Newton to Everyone: No. You have to have external heat be absoorbed by the system, this adds mass to a closed system. The key take away is "Closed system"! Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Proton does not make photon. Breaking a Proton creates a light wave in the space. Al Schrader to Everyone: Photons have another orbiting particle causing an imbalance Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Isaac, where did you do your schooling? Tony Robertson to Everyone: Anyone know why FUZE meeting cannot find my speakers? Isaac Newton to Everyone: I taught my self, then enrolled in Cambridge! Al Schrader to Everyone: Yes, plug any thing into your mic jack Al Schrader to Everyone: I suggest an unused cord Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: Tony, restart PC Al Schrader to Everyone: Tony if your PC doesn't sense a mic input it will mute your speakers Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: after installing FUSE I had to restart to get sound Ian Cowan to Everyone: You're a hale and hearty 372, Sir Isaac! Al Schrader to Everyone: Who is other fellow in vid ? Ian Cowan to Everyone: His colleague Al Schrader to Everyone: Whos is that ? Ian Cowan to Everyone: First name in footer Franklin Hu to Everyone: When proton decay in atom, we get a neutron and positron, not 5 positrons and 4 electrons. Al Schrader to Everyone: THey are in a lab ? Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Isaac is showing some first signs of dementia. Al Schrader to Everyone: You here a goulish clanking ? Al Schrader to Everyone: hear Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: yes Al Schrader to Everyone: Thank you Al Schrader to Everyone: Atom shown is Lithium ? Ian Cowan to Everyone: Sorry 371: you were born Xmas day Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Franklin "In particle physics, proton decay is a hypothetical form of radioactive decay in which the proton decays into lighter subatomic particles, such as a neutral pion and a positron.[1] There is currently no experimental evidence that proton decay occurs" Al Schrader to Everyone: Corn - you can chisel groups of photons off of a proton Al Schrader to Everyone: More photons in your group, the more types of subs you create I E quarks, mesons, pink quarks, etc. Franklin Hu to Everyone: I am speaking of B+ decay where element is transmuted by conversion of proton into a neutron and releasing a positorn. Franklin Hu to Everyone: stand alone protons do not decay. Al Schrader to Everyone: It might be possible to combine an electron with a proton creating a neutron Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: If you chisel on a Proton you are putting energy into the system which it can not hadle and becomes unstabl. The excess energy is ejected in the form of a photon Al Schrader to Everyone: Neutrons have more mass than protons Franklin Hu to Everyone: That is called B- decay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_decay Al Schrader to Everyone: Corn - the proton is a bundle of photons Tony Robertson2 to Everyone: Thanks hear know Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: Cornelis, good observation Al Schrader to Everyone: Photons are solid particles Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Ok A Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: Cornelis, all your answers were valid Al Schrader to Everyone: Check this with E = mc^2 Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: No such thing as a solid Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: particle Greg Volk2 to Everyone: Chris: Avery simplw and easy to understand idea. Good luck and I hope syou do well with your theory. Thanks! Milan Kroupa2 to Everyone: Do you mean the E=mc^2 myth? Al Schrader to Everyone: I suggest maybe you could reduce the photon data and offer what it's made of Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: space Al Schrader to Everyone: Has to space plus "something" Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: What is sound made of Al Schrader to Everyone: Sound is the movement of air Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: photon is movement in space Joe Bova to Everyone: I would say compression, not movement Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: of time Joe Bova to Everyone: For sound that is Al Schrader to Everyone: I agree compressing the air in waves Al Schrader to Everyone: Sound will travel through solids too Joe Bova to Everyone: Yes which is still compression (longitudinally) Al Schrader to Everyone: Exactly Joe enddoc