/home/bill/Projects/NPA - physics/140503 NPA Jim Marsen - Introduction to the Tron Theory.txt https://www.fuzemeeting.com/fuze/launch/a436ca23/24419947 The Tron Theory is proposed for unifying physical science. It presents a new fundamental particle called the tron. The tron is several orders of magnitude smaller than the electron. Trons are premised to be everywhere, their physical involvement thorough. Each tron is composed of even smaller particles called rons. Adjacent trons attract each other with an elemental force that is neutral of charge. The inter-tron force is inversely proportional to the distance between tron cores. The fundamental particles are constructed with trons closely pressed together. Tenuous arrays of trons cohere to form the respective imponderable physical fields. Micro-particle action is revealed as a causal discipline. Particles are presented in determinate activity. The composition and dynamic properties of the tron and ron are set forth in seven axiom forming the Tron Postulate. ***************************** Howell's comments (my written notes of verbal exchange): Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Speed of light in an intense electric field - intersting experiment. Has this already been done? Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: In the movie, I think tron ~= "trace on", for debugging? (Basic programming language? I DIDN'T send this! : On the blog : http://cosmoquest.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-140927.html Ioannis Xydous (lectronic Engineer) commets that in his concept (I think) : "... Note: The reduction of the Speed of light will occur when the Field Intensity will be over 3.2E14 V/m. Almost technically impossible to create such kind of Electric Field Intensity. ..." "I have the following experimental evidences where the speed of light (visible light) is slower down to 17 m/sec in an environment of a Bose-Einstein condensate: Article: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v397/n6720/full/397594a0.html Or http://www.cmp.caltech.edu/refael/league/hau.pdf Wikipedia Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light Wikipedia Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetically_Induced_Transparency" Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: OOPS! - I don't remember the NPA vote!? Must have lost it in my emails or something. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: If the "Directors" ignore the members, can't we ignore the Directors, and simply retake agnostic control? **************************** Others comments that caught my eye Greg Volk - "Beckmann or Bethell's? book led to founding of NPA, hero of Greg Volk Petr Beckmann 1987 "Einstein Plus Two" Tom Bethell "Questioning Einstein - Is relativity necessary?" Al Schrader to Everyone: In the 1990s I tried to save money by making solenoids out of iron wire. It didn't work. If you pass a current through iron wire, it doesn't make a magnet **************************** Full chat stream Greg Volk to Everyone: http://vixra.org/pdf/1403.0293v1.pdf Al Schrader to Everyone: Good Morning Greg Al Schrader to Everyone: In early times experts said you couldn't go faster than 18 miles on hour on a steam locomotive or dis-integrate Al Schrader to Everyone: Then expert said nothing could travel faster than sound Al Schrader to Everyone: Then Einstein said nothing could travel faster than light Al Schrader to Everyone: Actually, you can go as fast as you can go Francis to Everyone: Travel-locomotion or wave-front motion without locomotion Al Schrader to Everyone: Photons have a smaller orbiting partcle - light doesn't travel in waves Al Schrader to Everyone: It's why light splits when passed through a prism Al Schrader to Everyone: The photon is out of balance. Faster orbiting particle, higher the frequency, slow orbit speed less energy and lower frequency Franklin Hu to Everyone: Yea! Light is purely a wave! Al Schrader to Everyone: Pas it through a polarising filter and you can line-up the orbiting particles Al Schrader to Everyone: You can capture photons and turn them back into matter Al Schrader to Everyone: mc^2 = E Franklin Hu to Everyone: Explain how photons turn back into matter - you can't do it. Al Schrader to Everyone: Oh yes, but it's slow. I made carbon and it took 20 years Al Schrader to Everyone: Einetsien's equation works both ways E = c^2 is also mc^2 = E Sujak Peter to Everyone: E=mc^2 is wrong Franklin Hu to Everyone: Equations don't explain how energy converts to matter, it's baloney Al Schrader to Everyone: How is it wrong ? Al Schrader to Everyone: Sorry not bologna however bolagna is great on whole wheat Franklin Hu to Everyone: No explanation for the mechanism, at least Jim is explaining mass deficit. Sujak Peter to Everyone: Wright is p=mc or E=m^2c^2 Francis to Everyone: Newton kept mass constant Francis to Everyone: Eistein Varied mass Al Schrader to Everyone: Matter is made of light Franklin Hu to Everyone: Nope, matter is not made out of light. Francis to Everyone: E = [m1-m2](v1 x v2) Al Schrader to Everyone: E is the photons Al Schrader to Everyone: Sorry Frank but I've tested it in my lab Franklin Hu to Everyone: Then explain how light can be turned into matter. Al Schrader to Everyone: Protons are made of photons Al Schrader to Everyone: Sure my pleasure Sujak Peter to Everyone: Franklin, creations of matter pair , Anderson 1932 Al Schrader to Everyone: Protons form when you have enough photons to make one Francis to Everyone: m1 is say electron mass Franklin Hu to Everyone: None of that explains what is going on between matter and energy - you're just postulating it. Francis to Everyone: m2 is electron mass times the gamma factor Al Schrader to Everyone: But protons shed photons and gain them continuously Francis to Everyone: the difference of the 2 masses is the eV required to ionize Franklin Hu to Everyone: I can just as easily explain that gamma energy breaks apart the aether and generates positrons/electrons to explain anderson, no energy converted to matter. Al Schrader to Everyone: For example, protons at room temperature trade photons with other protons in the room Al Schrader to Everyone: Energy doesn't become matter until the photons slow down or are captured in nuclei Al Schrader to Everyone: If you smash a proton you get photons going in all directions Al Schrader to Everyone: It works in either direction Al Schrader to Everyone: Gamma energy is photons same as xrays Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Speed of light in an intense electric field - intersting experiment. Has this already been done? Al Schrader to Everyone: not known but Professor Hau at Harvard has passed light through frozen hydrogen and slowed it to a few mph Francis to Everyone: mass of earth x c^2 = Mass of entrained ether x v^2 where v^2/earth radius is acceleration due to gravity Roger Tobie to Everyone: Tron was the name of a early computer graphics movie. Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Hau just put a twisted path in the space light had to travel throug. So he did not slow light down he just lengthend the distance it traveled. Roger Tobie to Everyone: Is that the source of the name? Al Schrader to Everyone: Cornelis it's "she" but I'm not sure how she did it. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: In the movie, I think tron ~= "trace on", for debugging? (Basic programming language? Al Schrader to Everyone: Professor Hau is quite amazing Al Schrader to Everyone: How many volts ? Al Schrader to Everyone: lol Al Schrader to Everyone: Tired light causes the fake red shift Al Schrader to Everyone: I think Ian is try to say "Where is your solid experimental results ? Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Where are equations we can use to calculate something? Al Schrader to Everyone: Could be in my opinion Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Turtles all the way down Al Schrader to Everyone: Electrons have orbiting particles Francis to Everyone: At parties we play a game of making an action opposite to the descriptor-Ex say big earth and make the action of holding a small ball Ian Cowan to Everyone: There's an echo Bill Lucas to Everyone: Yes I am done Al Schrader to Everyone: He's in the Large Hadron Collider tunnel ? Al Schrader to Everyone: WE can't see the particles so we have to test for them Al Schrader to Everyone: Test result either prove or disprove them Al Schrader to Everyone: 42 Al Schrader to Everyone: Protons have a positive charge Al Schrader to Everyone: Bigger question is: Where did the charge come from ? Francis to Everyone: Positron particles are perhaps an opposite spin Al Schrader to Everyone: Photon particles are solid matter Franklin Hu to Everyone: My answer to what charge is, I say that electrons have a resonant frequency and the charge field is generated by that resonant frequency, like the sound from a bell. Francis to Everyone: Charge - The inverse of charge = 6.24 x 10^18 particles Al Schrader to Everyone: Interesting Franklin Al Schrader to Everyone: A coulomb ? Francis to Everyone: inverse of 1.6 x 10^-19C Francis to Everyone: charge squared has reality Francis to Everyone: q^2 = m x r x 10^7 Franklin Hu to Everyone: The only difference between the field of a electron and a positron is that I think the phase is out of phase. This causes the attraction/repelling action. Al Schrader to Everyone: You can boil electrons out of metal in a tv vacuum tube Francis to Everyone: the error is to equate charge with an electron. an electron is just one type of photon Francis to Everyone: when charge is measured we think we are seeing an electron Al Schrader to Everyone: Interesting Francis because of the electron microscope Francis to Everyone: this is a wrong attitude Al Schrader to Everyone: Light is deflected by gravitons Francis to Everyone: one can easily calculate the radius of any particle Francis to Everyone: and get the wavelength Francis to Everyone: the compton wavelength - expeeriment Al Schrader to Everyone: Explain compton please ? Francis to Everyone: lambda = 2Pi r x 137 Francis to Everyone: where r is gotten from q^2 = m x r Al Schrader to Everyone: Thanks Francis to Everyone: so for ex put the mass of an electron Francis to Everyone: get r Francis to Everyone: and get the wavelength of an electron from 2Pi r x 137 Al Schrader to Everyone: The slit edge is entirely atoms Francis to Everyone: you can do this for a proton Al Schrader to Everyone: Light is faster in air than it is in water Francis to Everyone: the spiral speed of light is c however the wavefront is slowed at v Francis to Everyone: slowed v is refraction wrrongly defined as bending of light Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Franklin in order for electrons to be out of phase with positrons all electrons and positrons would need to oscilate in sync and at the same frequency. If it was related to their direction of spin no syncronization would be required. Cornelis Verhey to Everyone: Sorry ment to send that to Franklin only Dowdye to Everyone: GOT TO Step out Dowdye to Everyone: Good Presentation Jim Al Schrader to Everyone: Atoms in a copper wire are arranged at random. The flowing electrons "line-up" the metal atoms so the orbitng particles that cause magneism orbit in the same direction. Anton Vrba to Everyone: Einstein will soon be relegated to history Al Schrader to Everyone: Einstein wrote it Jim Marsen to Everyone: vales lake publishing Al Schrader to Everyone: All motion is caused by light Sujak Peter to Everyone: Yes Greg, but physical base of circle I mean is vortex filed of eather in space Al Schrader to Everyone: In the 1990s I tried to save money by making solenoids out of iron wire. It didn't work. If you pass a current through iron wire, it doesn't make a magnet Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Jim - Thanks for a very interesting presentation. Thanks, Greg. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Great job Jim. VERY interesting! Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: OOPS! - I don't remember the NPA vote!? Must have lost it in my emails or something. Al Schrader to Everyone: Greg has done a lot to advance science Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Agreed. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Bill - We didn't get a chance to vote. The Board elected new members Al Schrader to Everyone: I vote for Greg All agree say "I" Lou LaFollette to Everyone: "I" Franklin Hu to Everyone: Unfortunately, spin would not be spherically symmetric and due to that, I don't think charge can be related to spin. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: If the "Directors" ignore the members, can't we ignore the Directors, and simply retake agnostic control? Sujak Peter to Everyone: T Franklin Hu to Everyone: Spin defines an axis, the field of an electron has no detectable axis. Al Schrader to Everyone: Right now our world is a mess with conficts everywhere. Al Schrader to Everyone: chance we have is science to take us out of the darkness Jim Marsen to Everyone: You can download my paper at http://vixra.org/abs/1403.0293 Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Agreed, Al Al Schrader to Everyone: Great meeting Greg ! enddoc