/home/bill/Documents/140329 NPA Glenn Baxter - Identifying Scientific Assumptions, Part 2.txt At the core of any scientific theory or scientist is his or her assumptions. To write down your own major scientific assumptions is a very interesting exercise. Our Physics Monday Morning Conference Call discussion group has done just that, and some of the results are discussed and/or compared here. Cosmos #7 Carl Sagan talks about twin paradox ?who? - split uranium to two positive emlement-isotopes, to female pohsicist -> Enrico Fermi Everyone at Los Alamos knew this had nothing o do with e=mc^e??? Then built bomb I was 3 year old and remember seeing this on the cover of the New York Times (??) Bill Lucas - Poincare showed formulas for nuclear energy involve c - so must be electrodynamics. Post modern scientist, in teir silos, banned his proofs ***************************** Howell's comments : see below - nothing grand, just small reactions/ cheerleading **************************** Others comments that caught my eye Lou LaFollette to Everyone: There is a book by Bodanis which gives the history of the development of E = Mc2 which involves many people. Einstein just encorporated it. Bill Lucas : Poicare's proof of metatheory cannot be obtrained from the few libraries that have it! (??) Greg Volk - We need a questionnaire to delineate thinking and classification of ideas, highlight uniqueness. Our PAL Asia - already assumptions posted on NP database NA Status Greg Volk - incorporated twic in Maryland (?1994 and 2003?) - very favourable to out cause. Director applications were due yesterday. Bill Lucas, Nick ?, Lou LaFollette submitted Jim Newburn, Barry Springer, and ?? went to EU conference. **************************** Full chat stream Paulina2 to Everyone: Good morning! baunes to Everyone: yes, the old one, duh baunes to Everyone: it does really happen Al Schrader to Everyone: Good Morning baunes to Everyone: Einstein never said that baunes to Everyone: No baunes to Everyone: yes i can baunes to Everyone: v = fL baunes to Everyone: 12 = 6*2 and 12 = 3*4 baunes to Everyone: yes Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Relative velocity changes but velocity of light does not change. That's how police radar works Franklin Hu to Everyone: ok Franklin Hu to Everyone: I do have ot leave at 8:30 baunes to Everyone: its a trick question baunes to Everyone: light cant travel in a void (empty space) baunes to Everyone: because that space is not empty since the light is there! Robert Kemp to Everyone: Field attached to charges was described by Charles Coloumb and Gauss Jim Marsen to Everyone: You can view an outline of the Tron Theory that Glenn is referring to at http://vixra.org/abs/1403.0293 Lou LaFollette to Everyone: It depends perhaps on whether energy has a "material" base which is distinguishable from the "material" base of what we call matter. Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: Franklin excuse me but I had to leave my pc for a short time so I missed your response baunes to Everyone: transverse and logitudinal are actually the same thing and travel at th sme speed Bill Lucas to Everyone: In electrodynamics the longitudinal field travels at a speed independent of c baunes to Everyone: it tracvels at c Franklin Hu to Everyone: I would say that there are no transverse waves Franklin Hu to Everyone: Phenomenon like light polarization can be explained without transverse waves. Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: physicists have demonstrated that information can flow through a diamond wire. In the experiment, electrons did not flow through diamond as they do in traditional electronics; rather, they stayed in place and passed along a magnetic effect called "spin" to each other down the wire-like a row of sports spectators doing "the wave." baunes to Everyone: sound can be polarizd as light Franklin Hu to Everyone: Yes, sound can be polarized, do you have the reference? baunes to Everyone: google is your fiend Franklin Hu to Everyone: Sound is normally considered only longitudinal. baunes to Everyone: many experiments of polarizing sound, water wavs etc... baunes to Everyone: normally considered s such, but not always baunes to Everyone: also, sound can be "directed" as laser. baunes to Everyone: Longitudinal and transverse waves are simply ifferent words to describe the same thing baunes to Everyone: logitudinal usually means a change in medium, or comparing mediums, whereas logitudinal usually means within the same medium. baunes to Everyone: Maxwell eqs do take tha into a ccount baunes to Everyone: Its not missing baunes to Everyone: The "recoils" energy dissipations etc are initial/boundry conditions. baunes to Everyone: feedback Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: Nainan is the source baunes to Everyone: They cant travel through empty space Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: All Electronic Fields are carried by the Plasma or Photons of the Material not through the Material but passed along the Medium of the Material shell (copper) Paulina2 to Everyone: Question: "Energy from fission comes from Coulomb energy and not from the conversion of mass to energy." Does this suggest that the strong nuclear force Paulina2 to Everyone: could be the same as Ampere's law Paulina2 to Everyone: where you have parallel currents attracting? Paulina2 to Everyone: example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmBSEJQiapA Lou LaFollette to Everyone: If mass is bound energy, then fission is not the conversion, but simply the release of bound energy. Osvaldo Domann to Everyone: Thank you Greg, I sent you already an e-mail with the abstract attached. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: There is a book by Bodanis which gives the history of the development of E = Mc2 which involves many people. Einstein just encorporated it. Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ9L2vblx-U Jim Marsen to Everyone: Also see Peter Beckmann - "Einstein Plus Two" for an alternate derivation Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUy1V9huQYw Nick Percival to Everyone: We need to go to 16B Ian Cowan to Everyone: Move on Osvaldo Domann to Everyone: Greg, the power-point file for the presentation I intent to send you one day before the presentation as an e-mail attach. Thanks. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: How about E = mC2 as a special case of F = MA Lou LaFollette to Everyone: I like it too. Paulina2 to Everyone: Does this suggest that the strong nuclear force could be the same as Ampere's law where you have parallel currents attracting? Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: I would like to appologize for my overly intense converstation with you Glen Paulina2 to Everyone: Does this suggest that the strong nuclear force could be the same as Ampere's law where you have parallel currents attracting? Paulina2 to Everyone: No, I have typed it in. Paulina2 to Everyone: Greg, I cannot use audio. Paulina2 to Everyone: That is fine, it is something like Greg's thought that electrons are circuits. Glenn Baxter2 to Everyone: Appology accepted Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: Thanks Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: Circuit Electric flows to the point of least resistance. Magnetics Attracts Opposite Polls of Heard accumilation vs Resistance (in Partical/Elec? cloud) Paulina2 to Everyone: Yes, I think that is very interesting. Paulina2 to Everyone: Thank you Greg, Glenn and Dr. Lucas. Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: Atoms? Particals? Free electrons Protons ions? in cloud Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: All empty space? Paulina2 to Everyone: Chuck Reithmeyer, thank you for the videos on the Hutchison effect. Will view them later. Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: Cheeers Roger Anderton2 to Everyone: I have to go now, But point I want to make is: Point particle theory that mainstream goes by is Boscovich's theory but physics silo is mostly unaware of this, while history of physics silo does know! Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: I think putting the ideas together was the point of the list we are reviewing Kracklauer to Everyone: HR: Too many ideas, and all are moving targets! Howell, Bill - Canada to Everyone: I like that, Harry - multiple conflicitng hypothesis, without having to pick "winners" quickly. Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: True but we each get to pick which ideas help lead us to a better understanding. Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: Constructive critisisum / Groups / then bring togethr Howell, Bill - Canada to Cornelis Verhey2: Perhaps, and sometimes amybe wait as things jostle about. Some ideas may take a long time to mature. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Thanks, Glenn, Greg and All. Great Discussion. Dionysios G. Raftopoulos to Everyone: tha Cornelis Verhey2 to Howell, Bill - Canada: It is giving me ideas of who has similar viewpoints I can bounce ideas of of Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: Thank you all Make a Constructive Format! Dionysios G. Raftopoulos to Everyone: Thank you All. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: We could do issue publications which encorporate postions papers on various fundamental issues such as space, aether, energy, mass etc. Paulina2 to Everyone: Greg was going to share an update... Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: Sounds like a good idea Greg about the questions Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: Some of us are not great writers but most of us can answer questions Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Agree, Paulina - Greg can you give an update on the status of the NPA Chuck Reithmeyer to Everyone: My cheez has no hloes in it! Paulina2 to Everyone: "We have encorporated in MD in 2012." Paulina2 to Everyone: "We have an inalienable right to elect our own board members." Bill Howell to Everyone: Corporations aren't people so they don't have inalienable rights- they have legal rights Paulina2 to Everyone: Asking you not to come was taking sides also. Howell, Bill - Canada to Cornelis Verhey2: I didn't send that inaliable chat message!?!? Maybe I het a key, but I didn't compose? (smoked but didn't inhale?) Paulina2 to Everyone: "incorporated" thanks Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: How and when do we vote Paulina2 to Everyone: I think that is a nice idea. Cornelis Verhey2 to Everyone: Ok sounds good, Thank you Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Thanks, Greg. Osvaldo Domann to Everyone: Thank you Greg. enddoc