/home/bill/Projects/NPA - physics/140208 NPA Hans van Leunen - The Hilbert Book Model Project.txt The Hilbert Book Model is the name of a personal project of the author. The model is deduced from a foundation that is based on quantum logic and that is subsequently extended with trustworthy mathematical methods. What is known from conventional physics is used as a guideline, but the model is not based on the methodology of contemporary physics. In this way the model can reach deeper into the basement of physics. The ambition of the model is rather modest. It limits its scope to the lowest levels of the physical hierarchy. Thus fields and elementary particles are treated in fair detail, but composites are treated marginally and only some aspects of cosmology are touched. Still the model dives into the origins of gravitation and inertia and explains the diversity of the elementary particles. It explains what photons are and introduces a lower level of physical objects and a new kind of ultra-high frequency waves that carry information about their emitters. It explains entanglement and the Pauli principle. Above all the HBM introduces a new way of looking at space and time. Where contemporary physics applies the spacetime model, the HBM treats space and progression as a paginated space progression model. Classical logic, Quantuum logic & Hilbert space cannot impliment dynamics - only describe relational ?? Particle detection works as interference waves. ***************************** Howell's comments : For me, occasional lines in the PowerPoint are cut to 1/8 of height, making it difficult to read. Hans, in a sense, is the Hilbert Book Model a means of extending quantuum logic to preserve the historical progress in that area? This "familiarity" may make it more palatable to current physicists, but will you end up simply abandoning & replacing quantuum mechanics with something better? Bill Lucas - Does the Hilbert Book Model relate in any way to your work to replace quantuum mechanics via the Universal Electrodynamics Model and structural physics (fundamental particals - rings)? --- Greg Volk - Leuven's use of "isomorphisms", and your description of eigenvalues/vectors are vaguely reminiscent of category theory in math (which I don't really understan). Is ther a relation betwen the concepts(category theory being perhaps more general)? H Ricker3 to Everyone: Yes. But you have to study topological groups and Pontraygin duality. Harry Richer - Please comment on Pontraygin duality - I've never heard of this. -- --- Bill Lucas - I thought that with your "Universal Electrocynamic Force", fields are de-emphasized, going more to a particle-by-particle basis of modelling (like Anthony Peratt's astronomy plasmas)? Bill Lucas to Howell, Bill - Alberta: In my work the fields are permanently attached to the charges. Only this approach allows for continuity in nature. the field goes to great distances and has a tensile strength in order to support continuity. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Thanks, Bill. --- **************************** Others comments that caught my eye Greg Volk - sees Leuven's Hilbert Book Model as tying into Lucas' work via eigenvectors of rotation, tie-in discrete-continuous (??) Greg Volk - explained eigenvaue/eigenvectors - operator gets you back to where you start. Bill Lucas - Point particle approximation violaates experimental results for structure of elementary particles. **************************** Full chat stream Nick Percival to Everyone: Hans may just need to use a different browser Franklin Hu to Everyone: Link to Hanz paper: http://www.e-physics.eu/PhysicsOfTheHilbertBookModel.pdf Alex Petty to Everyone: Where are the two overlapping intro recordings come from? Alex Petty to Everyone: It makes it so I cant hear a thing you are saying Greg. Franklin Hu to Everyone: I don't hear any overlapping recordings Alex Petty to Everyone: Odd that I do. Franklin Hu to Everyone: You should exit and re-enter Alex Petty to Everyone: I'll give that a try. Paulina to Everyone: What is the spelling of this 1936 discoverer again please? Nick Percival to Everyone: Garrett Birkhoff and John von Neumann Paulina to Everyone: Ty Nick Percival to Everyone: I see 14 Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Is your PowerPoint ding the timed advance of slides? If so, turn it off? Phil Bouchard to Everyone: I see 14 baunes to Everyone: me its flasshing between 13 and 14 H Ricker2 to Everyone: I had to restart because it stopped at slide 1 Paulina to Everyone: Do you mean when you restart, you are able to see the slides/ H Ricker2 to Everyone: Yes I see them now. H Ricker2 to Everyone: Basis vector??? Paul Blake to Everyone: must be, eigenvector has no meaning in this context Nick Percival to Everyone: For say the X direction it's a vector of length 1 along the X-axis Kracklauer to Everyone: Hilbert dimentions are in no way extentions of 3-D space dimentions. They just SOME of the same algebraic properties. Jaythree to Everyone: Looks like an over-complex proposal for granular (discrete) space-time, with sequential space frames implementing time...a page containing the instantaneous status of a volume of space. Similar models are out there, reference discrete space-time. The irony here is that the model is just like the slide show, with reality slightly chaotic! Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: For me, occasional lines in the PowerPoint are cut to 1/8 of height, making it difficult to read. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Hans, in a sense, is the Hilbert Book Model a means of extending quantuum logic to preserve the historical progress in that area? This "familiarity" may make it more palatable to current physicists, but will you end up simply abandoning & replacing quantuum mechanics with something better? Michael Anteski to Everyone: Need to start with etheric derivation from elemental space forces. Linearity comes from male-female-male-etc. resonances of elemental units, all resonance is elemental uniform. larger units resonate to side of linear elemental connections via "wedges" between linear resonances Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Bill Lucas - Does the Hilbert Book Model relate in any way to your work to replace quantuum mechanics via the Universal Electrodynamics Model and structural physics (fundamental particals - rings)? Glenn Baxter to Everyone: I was cut off. Joe Bova to Everyone: Actually, what I see is a logical formulation that the laws of nature are actually the result of a set of logical laws, which may be phenomenologically palatable, but ontologically it would be a hard pill to swallow. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: I was cut off. H Ricker3 to Everyone: No audio. Paulina2 to Everyone: I still have audio and slides HRicker. Paulina2 to Everyone: Hans van Leunen is a guest now Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Harry, I have audio but my mic no tworking. Paulina2 to Everyone: No he is gone now. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Let me go to phone. Glenn Baxter to Everyone: Greg, I am on the phone now. baunes to Everyone: Eigenvector: a thing that r emains the same aftr given operations. Its that simple. baunes to Everyone: Eigen value: a chosen unique number indexing the eigenvctor baunes to Everyone: It means Th AME baunes to Everyone: SAME Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Greg Volk - Leuven's use of "isomorphisms", and your description of eigenvalues/vectors are vaguely reminiscent of category theory in math (which I don't really understan). Is ther a relation betwen the concepts(category theory being perhaps more general)? baunes to Everyone: D(e^x) = e^x. e^x is an eigne vector (function) of D H Ricker3 to Everyone: Yes. But you have to study topological groups and Pontraygin duality. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Harry Richer - Please comment on Pontraygin duality - I've never heard of this. H Ricker3 to Everyone: Most people have not. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Bill Lucas - I thought that with your "Universal Electrocynamic Force", fields are de-emphasized, going more to a particle-by-particle basis of modelling (like Anthony Peratt's astronomy plasmas)? Francis to Everyone: so a deterministic Universe Glenn Baxter to Everyone: For pontraygin duality, start by using Google. Michael Anteski to Everyone: All resonances are elemental -anything else is chaotic, not organizing Francis to Everyone: I would like to see an animation or diagram - even though its a thought or impression or a model Francis to Everyone: So what would be the trajectory of the point particle in the localized space Bill Lucas to Howell, Bill - Alberta: In my work the fields are permanently attached to the charges. Only this approach allows for continuity in nature. the field goes to great distances and has a tensile strength in order to support continuity. Howell, Bill - Alberta to Everyone: Thanks, Bill. Paul Blake to Everyone: densest packaging via gelfand triple according to http://www.e-physics.eu/HilbertLogic.pdf Paul Blake to Everyone: quite iunvolved stuff Dowdye to Everyone: INTERESTING Hans: Got to depart soon. ED Paul Blake to Everyone: i've never found the quaternion stuff to be of any use at all - but that's just my ignorance I guess Anton Vrba to Everyone: Quaaternions are figments of human imagination and cannot be part of nature! Paul Blake to Everyone: the concept is very different than i remember nowadays looking through it at this moment Paul Blake to Everyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternionic_representation is very very different than what I was taught about quaternions enddoc