130601 NPA de Hilster - Aberration.txt Saturday, June 1, 2013: Time: 07:00 AM - 09:00 AM (U.S. Pacific time) 1 hour 54 minutes leftThe aberration of light was discovered by James Bradley in 1725. It is caused by the finite speed of light versus the orbital speed of the earth. This combination causes us to see the star or the sun in a retarded position. Many scientists conclude that the speed of gravity must be very high or else the planets would spin out of orbit. This paper suggests that the speed of gravity can be the same as the speed of light and that the planets will not spin out of orbit. ******************************* Howell's Questions note - I don't agreewith Bob de Hilter's "psychological" expanation Aberration description - Is there an explanation comparing instantaneous aberration, based n precise math models of prediced locations, and "annual aberration" which is easier to "measure"? From Wikipedia - "... In the case of "stellar" or "annual" aberration, the apparent position of a star to an observer on Earth varies periodically over the course of a year as the Earth's velocity changes as it revolves around the Sun, by a maximum angle of approximately 20 arcseconds in right ascension or declination. ..." ******************************* Other's questions Our PAL Asia - 13, 7, 2, are key prime numbers in astronomy & nature Harry Richer - field theories don't have a delay (perhaps that's what Asia was trying to say?) ******************************* Chat Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Chat room works! David de Hilster to Everyone: It's broken Peter Sujak Prague to Everyone: OK here Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Good Job Peter Sujak Prague to Everyone: What hotel you could recomend at College Park Peter Sujak Prague to Everyone: Which hotel Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Peter - The NPA website will give information on housing for the conference to Everyone: No audio here, never problem before Peter Sujak Prague to Everyone: I know, i read it, but if there is any bad experiences of some of them David de Hilster to Everyone: Leave and join again. Peter Sujak Prague to Everyone: Audio Ok here to Everyone: my audio fixed now David de Hilster to Everyone: That is big. But those people who say it is faster, how do they dispute R, de Hilsters pointing out the coincidence Wang found. Anton Vrba to Everyone: IMHO speed of gravity is instentaneous David de Hilster to Everyone: How do people dispute Wang who points to same as c??? David de Hilster to Everyone: It's nice to say things. But people need to dispute or confirm with real data. David de Hilster to Everyone: I do admire my dad with this because he is a engineer and looks for real data to make conclusions. Something all need to do. David de Hilster to Everyone: Including me. Dowdye to Everyone: I argued with Van Flandern years ago before he died that his arguement that the planets would spiral down is defeated when you think the ALL the planets and the SUN orbit about one anothers center of masses, a "stable" system of the solar system. I argued the c_gravity = c_light. Dowdye to Everyone: I also have theoretical and observational proof of it David de Hilster to Everyone: I agree Dr. Dowse. David de Hilster to Everyone: Dowdye. David de Hilster to Everyone: Darn iPad spell correcting names. DonEM2 to Everyone: Is this meeting started? Am I an hour behind? DonEM2 to Everyone: (No audio yet) Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Yes meeting started about 25 minutes ago Our PAL Asija to Everyone: David advises to log out and log back in to solve your audio roblem to Everyone: Your speakers type setting may have changed DonEM2 to Everyone: Audio works --thanks David de Hilster to Everyone: My dad lied to me before he joined the NPA. I'm crushed. David de Hilster to Everyone: Wow. Dowdye to Everyone: Remember, Galileo almost lost his head arguing with the goverment and the church in ca. 1640. David de Hilster to Everyone: My dad was just quietly retired until I asked him to help me with the movie. Now look at him. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Do the tides follow the visible sun? This is such a small difference, how could you tell. Dowdye to Everyone: The Moon has the greatest influence on the tides, the sun does have a measureble influence, done with only precision instruments, Grad students can't do it without lots of funds. Dowdye to Everyone: Agree to that! AMEN Bro to Everyone: TRhe moon's close proximity blocks gravity on tides from outer space - why tides are higher on side of Earth opposite moon Lou LaFollette to Everyone: The tree falling in the forest to Everyone: Gravity from space is greater than moon's with respect to Earth Our PAL Asija to Everyone: I think these problems vanis if we correct the basics Dowdye to Everyone: Consensus: it is the acceleration that is responsible for lifting the waters below the moon on both sides of the earth, on opposite side also. Our PAL Asija to Everyone: 1. Solar system is neither heliocentric nor geocentric but barrycentric, 2. Gravity has no speed (Local) 3. Number of days in a year is 364 not 365 nor 365.256 DonEM2 to Everyone: How fast will the local registry of gravity by proximal bodies update? Dowdye to Everyone: QUESTION: You have three (3) bodies, A, B and C. Does the gravity and A and B act seperately on C or does the resultant of the gravity of A and B getting a single vector act on C? Which is it? (this has been a buring question for some.) I believe is is the first. milen Kroupa to Everyone: caledars are man made constucts javing nothing to do with reality Dowdye to Everyone: milen Kroupa I agree with that; calendars and the clocks are man made. DonEM2 to Everyone: What is the sun's speed through interstallar space??? This would be another "aberation apparent" even for geo-synch orbit --seems to me. DonEM2 to Everyone: (sun's cosmos speed vs. earth's orbital speed) Dowdye to Everyone: It is believe from Astrophysics, the sun move at 30,000 + meters per second about the galactic center. But, the sun is dragging all of us with it. (No relative aberrational effect between Earth and Sun.) Our PAL Asija to Everyone: I think even 24 days, 27 days and why Robert prefers 24 days ffor its simplicity is prefered. DonEM2 to Everyone: Light leaving the sun directly toward the earth traveling in tandem would miss the earth is the trajectory points directly toward the earth when the photon left the sun. DonEM2 to Everyone: Therefore (for orbital or cosmic velocity scenarios) The light detected is the photon that left the sun at an angle that preceeds where the Earth is when the photon leaves the sun. H Ricker to Everyone: NO! The light tavels slower in water, so the aberration is greaer. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Well done, Bob DonEM2 to Everyone: Is simulatneous-reception of light and gravity based upon tidal measurements? milen Kroupa to Everyone: I would disagree. If the speeds are different their particular arival is what it is. Dowdye to Everyone: hello Bob DeHilster, you recall there is a Solar Wind is plasma and charged particles the move with high supersonics speads (1000's km per second) These are massive particles. You theory is directly consistent with the machical effects of the Physical Bumps you are talking about. Sound like Nobel Prize stuff to me.) Franklin Hu to Everyone: Based on my own analysis of the eclipse, I concluded that the Earth is fixed and the sun is moving in order ot explain the effect Nick Percival to Everyone: I had trouble getting my mic working but it MAY be on now. Dowdye to Everyone: www.extinctionshift.com DonEM2 to Everyone: Superluminal could happen, but it couldn't be observed with light (for sure) Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Nick said he was having mike problems Nick Percival to Everyone: I second Franklin's point.that the argument about taking human's out makes any sense., milen Kroupa to Everyone: Hu is right milen Kroupa to Everyone: Bob, what would that achieve? milen Kroupa to Everyone: Hu, its similar to gun fire trasectories milen Kroupa to Everyone: trajectories Dowdye to Everyone: Comment: The sun is 8 Light Seconds away. This is this effect, the sun that you see is where is was 8 seconds age. But, the is an aborrational effect due to relative motion of Earth and Sun. That is the angle v/c and very small effect. milen Kroupa to Everyone: Hu, your video is very laggy Ted Erikson to Everyone: Earth moves around sun and rotates at the same time. Like shooting a duck from a moving car. Bill Howell (Canada) to Everyone: Aberration description - Is there an explanation comparing instantaneous aberration, based n precise math models of prediced locations, and "annual aberration" which is easier to "measure"?From Wikipedia - "... In the case of "stellar" or "annual" aberration, the apparent position of a star to an observer on Earth varies periodically over the course of a year as the Earth's velocity changes as it revolves around the Sun, by a maximum angle of approximately 20 arcseconds in right ascension or declination. ..." Dowdye to Everyone: goto to this site: http://www.extinctionshift.com/topic_04.htm Lou LaFollette to Everyone: If observation is not instanteous, and motion is constant, then there will be a lag between when an object sends light and when it is observed Dowdye to Everyone: I have signed off Nick Percival to Everyone: Sorry no audio Dowdye to Everyone: BOB Very Good jOB Nick Percival to Everyone: I agree with Franklin that the chart talking about removing the human is incorrect logic - it doesn't make any sense. DonEM2 to Everyone: NOpe --no audio DonEM2 to Everyone: Done did, works for audio, not for mic. Osvaldo Domann to Everyone: Thank you BOB, good presentation. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Thanks Bob for your good presentation and for hosting milen Kroupa to Everyone: Bub, rephrase your "human" aspect in htis milen Kroupa to Everyone: rephrase=rework milen Kroupa to Everyone: go back & say it differently Dionysios G. Raftopoulos to Everyone: Thank you Bob, thanks everybody. Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Good discussion, Thanks milen Kroupa to Everyone: Humans can do that also Franklin Hu to Everyone: Here is an explanation of Bradley experiment:http://cseligman.com/text/history/bradley.htm enddoc