130504 NPA Baugher - Re-evaluating Gunnar Nordstom's theory.txt Robert Kemp to Everyone: Pal: Many different physics function and equations for phenomena (a) which predicts the same One Result! Our PAL Asija to Everyone: One physics but many perceptions or expressions of it? Robert Kemp to Everyone: If a rock in on the ground, is there dirt on the rock? Making a problem, and then solving that problem that you created is interesting physics. baunes to Everyone: Is this a record greg! baunes to Everyone: ? Milan Kroupa, USA to Everyone: repeat lecture Robert Kemp to Everyone: This is coming from a guy, who changed a co-variant term in his version of a GR Metric. Robert Kemp to Everyone: That is true. Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Robert, you do not know what covariant means. please find out and then we can talk about it Milan Kroupa, USA to Everyone: magnitude is a differenve Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: That is what I am saying to you. I don't believe that you understand co-variance? Milan Kroupa, USA to Everyone: difference Robert Kemp to Everyone: What is infinite Gravity? John Wsol2 to Everyone: r / (1/r ) = 1/ r^2 John Wsol2 to Everyone: opps = r^2 Robert Kemp to Everyone: Wsol: that is wrong mathematics Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Thte same for you. covariance and contravariance are strictly defined in the tensor calculus. differentiald of coordinates are prototypes of contravariant vectors. Differntials of scalars are covariant quantities. Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: In the physics of GR the covariance is a term that varies in the same way for all observers. Robert Kemp to Everyone: If I add 0 + 10 you will get 10! Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: your GR is different then everybody elses. Invariance of quantity is the same for all observers. Covariance changes certain way and contravariance another way. So, do not make your own definitions, follow the accepted math. John Wsol2 to Everyone: Robert: 10! = 10 * 9! ;-) Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: Covariance ((x - 3) =6) = (y - 7)=6) Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: robert you talk nonsense. rad a good book on a tensor calculus, for example from Synge and Shilds Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: Invariance ((dx/dt) = (dx'/dt') = 12 Our PAL Asija to Everyone: I think the hum is reduced now or may be it is just my imagination. DonEM2 to Everyone: Distinction is "the tangent of a variably curved line at any certain point on the changing curve." right? Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: I am sure that I have much more experince making calculations in physics, based on work experience, and publishings. Peter Sujak to Everyone: Jery, what si si tensor please? It is didic multiplication of two vectors Peter Sujak to Everyone: diadic Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Tensor is a gneralization of a vector that transforms a certain way when the coordinates are changed. Peter Sujak to Everyone: Tensor is diadic multipúlication of two vectors Ricker to Everyone: Do you mean dyadic? Peter Sujak to Everyone: dyadic Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: you are stuck on that vector thing! Peter Sujak to Everyone: The dyadic mean that two vectors stand one beside second with no influence Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Robert, you do niot know what a tensor is. Did you ever calculate one? Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: Stick the conservation to covariance. the word Tensor could be confusing to some. Including yourself. Peter Sujak to Everyone: WE do not need calculte no one tensor but need to understand what tensor physically is. In tensor you can independently work with vectors that conpound the tensor independently baunes to Everyone: Int <> Int (a to b) baunes to Everyone: Int = "primitive". Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Robert, I am not confused about tensors, perhaps you are. Do you know that a vector is the tesnor of a first rank? baunes to Everyone: Int (a to b ) = Riemann intergral Robert Kemp to Everyone: Jerry: Learn what covariance is first. Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: Robert, you become silly, no poit of further discussion. Have a nice day Robert Kemp to Everyone: We know that QM and GR do not mesh currently in publication. Franklin Hu to Everyone: Link to paper: http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Nordstroem.pdf baunes to Everyone: gotta go Michael Anteski to Everyone: "Solid particles" don't "spin" QM false. Light doesn't get bent by space/mass body, GR false. Neither meshes with elemental mediative ether which is true Michael Anteski to Everyone: No repulsion needed w elemental mediative ether model, attraction w/o opposiing forces Michael Anteski to Everyone: simple uniform unifying Michael Anteski to Everyone: Math uses forces spun off from ether Robert Kemp to Everyone: Greg: I like that. And that is probably true. Ted Erikson to Everyone: Sorry, retract flag Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Right on, Jeff. The universe is not static. Roger Tobie to Everyone: The cosmological constant is a fudge factor. Peter Sujak to Everyone: Roger ,Thats it Peter Sujak to Everyone: Einstein by working his teory never seen the cosmos as we see it now Peter Sujak to Everyone: Eistein see the cosmos exactly as the Newton Peter Sujak to Everyone: Einstein do not know nothing about galaxies Peter Sujak to Everyone: Einstein se static star around him in 2000 light year around Lou LaFollette to Everyone: God created an emergent, not a static universe. Peter Sujak to Everyone: Just the meinstream power try to sift his blunder teory like fenomenal Lou LaFollette to Everyone: Direction is important.