111009 de Hilster Gravity Group.txt Jaro Kopernicky to Everyone: The all twisted part provides the other polarity, which is not concentrated as the other side, This creates illusion of monopole. I have this occurence in my tests many time. so, let's not get excited! All the best! Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Yeah Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Morning Professor Harry R to Everyone: Switching power supply noise. pickup. Harry R to Everyone: Likely a grounding problem. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Actual magnet poles don't exist Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It's the orbit of the M particles Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It's good now Jaro Kopernicky to Everyone: Alfred, sorry, magnetic poles do exist! Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: exuses, excuses Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Is an illusion, it's actually the orbital direction of the particles Lost ability to copy/paste? - can't copy & paste in fulscreen mode (tab comes onto screen with text comments) David de Hilster to Everyone: aberration: the act of departing from the right, normal, or usual course. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Photons can be influenced by solids but gravitons simply bounce off or pass right through atoms/matter Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It's the rotation of the Earth causing this Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It's a compound motion of the Earth orbiting the Sun and the rotation of the Earth Alfred Schrader to Everyone: My estimate for gravity is 10,000 times the speed of light Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Light is photon particles, gravity is from gravitons Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: skype Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: What if it is motion attracting motion Jaro Kopernicky to Everyone: Even if gravity has the speed of light, all gravitational bodies are already connected! Or linked wit gravitational strings, that's why gravitation can act instantly. No need for high speed assumptions... What do you think? Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Mass in motion attracting mass in motion D. Sarkadi to Everyone: To measure aberration of gravity practically no possibility because of the Moon movement. The Moon gravity disturbed my gravity measures with physical pendulum. See: http://www.scribd.com/doc/15939620/Gravity-Experiment-with-Physical-Pendulum Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: This was discussed yesterday by Greg Volk. if I am understanding him. There is no relative measurement. It is just that motion attracts and gravity, in my opionion, distracts particles from their inertial straight motion into a structured planetary motion Alfred Schrader to Everyone: The atoms have gravitons in orbit, like electrons, but without charge and in huge orbits. Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Is there sound in the forest when no one is there to hear it.? The sound waves are there whether they are "heard" or not. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: The sound waves move through air. Can you see air ? Is it there ? oh, yes. Jaro Kopernicky to Everyone: It means that if the event happens, it happens independently of the observer... Alfred Schrader to Everyone: You can't see the orbiting particles that cause gravity, but they are there Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Agreed. I was responding to Bob's statement that if there were no humans there would be no "force". Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Pioneer is a spacecraft Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Is your basis for nexus between sped of light and gravity an assumption or something else and if so what is that basis? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Define nexus ? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Not limited to (c) Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Is not related. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: TY Alfred Schrader to Everyone: true Prof Kiehn to Everyone: Was the gravity measurement device a Worden gravity meter Alfred Schrader to Everyone: The center of our Milky Way galaxy is millions of light years from the out stars. They would have spun away a long time ago if gravity travels at (c). Alfred Schrader to Everyone: My estimate is 10,000 times (c) Harry R to Everyone: Mic for me. D. Sarkadi to Everyone: What is known about the mini-solar systems on board artificial satellites? Does operate the solar system at all small in size? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Should, but small masses have tiny forces Alfred Schrader to Everyone: You can measure this with a vacuum tower Our PAL Asija to Everyone: My theory of gravity is not related to any theory of electromagnetic radiation beyond the fact that both were created by one and Same common creator. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Time is caused by a particle Our PAL Asija to Everyone: How do you put the object "gravity "in pocket? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: The photons recombine into dust D. Sarkadi to Everyone: It was planning to mesure G on board of artical stellite, could have reach any result for G? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: then into asteroids, moons, planets, ultimately into Stars Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It uses this formula E = mc^2 Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: David - I get periodic cessation in the audio. It comes frustratingly at key points in the dialogue. Do other people experience this.? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: You can split atoms back into light using it like this mc^2 = E D. Sarkadi to Everyone: My actual work related to origine of gravity (D. Sarkadi Hungary) is:http://www.scribd.com/doc/64984275/THE-STRUCTURE-OF-THE-PHYSICAL-MASS-INTRODUCTION-TO-THE-SELF-MOMENTUM-THEORY Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: A field is the spatial area within which a force is effective. Prof Kiehn to Everyone: the Riemannian metric does have one property which does not seem quite appropriate to physical space-time, and that is the perfect symmetry between opposite directions for any coordinate interval. Perhaps the most characteristic property of the physical world is the unidirection of time-like intervals..." Randers (as quoted in Antonelli, p. 41). Alfred Schrader to Everyone: You can plot the 3-D orbits of particles that cause magnetism by suspending iron particles in a clear gell Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: To D. Sarkardi - Is Self Momentum the same as inertia? D. Sarkadi to Everyone: Self-momentum is the inner energy of the particles similar to spin concept Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: I like it. D. Sarkadi to Everyone: Thank you D. Sarkadi to Everyone: My actual work related to origine of gravity (D. Sarkadi Hungary) is:http://www.scribd.com/doc/64984275/ D. Sarkadi to Everyone: The origin of gravity are from quantum mechanical reason, I have pproved it. Tom Lockyer to Everyone: Podkletnov measured superluminal velocity of his gravity pulse but did not publish because of the Einstein reputation with physicists. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: IT's not caused by Harry Potter Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It's from something real D. Sarkadi to Everyone: The origin of gravity are from quantum mechanical reason, I have pproved it. Tom Lockyer to Everyone: Podkletnov measured superluminal velocity of his gravity pulse but did not publish because of the Einstein reputation with physicists. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: IT's not caused by Harry Potter Alfred Schrader to Everyone: It's from something real Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: If we solve gravity, we will solve everything Tom Lockyer to Everyone: I agree with Dave Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: I have a flag Alfred Schrader to Everyone: I call him Sardaki too Alfred Schrader to Everyone: 12 kg David de Hilster to Everyone: Jerry, I see you. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: The number of gravitons from the 24Kg mass is related to Avogadro's number D. Sarkadi to Everyone: http://www.scribd.com/doc/15939620/Gravity-Experiment-with-Physical-Pendulum D. Sarkadi to Everyone: It is my article about this experment D. Sarkadi to Everyone: IIt contains all the details about my gravity experiment Bill Howell of Ottawa to Everyone: In the Sarkadi experiment, have air draft effects been accounted for? D. Sarkadi to Everyone: and of course, about the theoretical model David de Hilster to Everyone: Happy birthday (tomorrow) Tom Lockyer! Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Ditto Tom! Alfred Schrader to Everyone: HB Tom Tom Lockyer to Everyone: Thanks dave only 85 and married for 65 yeqars Aug 17 2011 Alfred Schrader to Everyone: WoW D. Sarkadi to Everyone: The sensitivity of physical pendulum is very weak Tom Lockyer to Everyone: Wife robbed the crade! D. Sarkadi to Everyone: It is not good for the traditional measure of static gravity Alfred Schrader to Everyone: MIT has $14,000,000,000 but they wont spend it on this Prof Kiehn to Everyone: dual polarized ring lasers can measure gravity gradients to 18 decimal places. The can be used to measure the presence of oil in sand layers outside of a steel oil pipe casing, Alfred Schrader to Everyone: nice D. Sarkadi to Everyone: must repeat my experiment with physical pendulum in independent laboratory! Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Yes D. Sarkadi to Everyone: I have lilited pssibility from my pocket money Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Grag was amazing yesterday Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: We all have mental images which get communicated using different words, so we just have to keep looking for the image behind the particular communiication and the common elements in those images. Agreed about Greg. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Not dissidents, leaders Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: There were not that many people who working together came up with quantum mechanics. We don't need that many people. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Interesting, but I've built bronze rod detectors that disprove this Alfred Schrader to Everyone: De Hilster Space! Harry R to Everyone: No aether in space, aether is the word. Bill Howell of Ottawa to Everyone: I am not working on gravity, but I'm trying to catch up to the Maxwell equations (eg Volk yesterday), but mostly with Lucas's "Universal electrodynamic theory" (Plus the guy in New Jersey ?Willis" associated with Blacklight power - seems similar). I very much enjoy the comments about the "incompletely explained concept of fields", and gravitational aberration! I appreciate these presentations - don't take a lack of contribution as a lack of appreciation... Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Let us get our act together and not worry about mainstream D. Sarkadi to Everyone: My all works can be find: http://www.scribd.com/dsarkadi Tom Lockyer to Everyone: What is ether composed of????? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: aether Alfred Schrader to Everyone: CERN just detect faster than light neutrinos Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Aether may operate the same way as Greg Volk's concept of the fundamental continuum. Tom Lockyer to Everyone: What are the properties of ether??? Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Energy of motion Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Every experiment I ever conducted, I never found Aether Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Yes, it's not magic Bill Howell of Ottawa to Everyone: In agreement with some of D de H's commetns: It seems to me that one cannot proceed with investigations knowing one has the "true" concept, nor that one has ALL information needed. Investigations are probably more often based on hunches, and have a high chance of failure. Perhaps it is important for some of those doing an investigation into a concept to believe fervently in it, but hopefully not all scientists are that limited in behaviour & self-motivation. The danger is if soemhow concepts become a "consensus scientific belief" dominating thinking, and bringing severe criticism and exclusion of those challenging the consensus. That seems to occur as a matter of routine.I agree with David de Hilster - you can't wait for the scientific consensus to accept your ideas, the advantage with the internet is that counter-opinion groups can more easily work together without spending all of their time defending themselves against attacks by "consensu thinkers". Unfortunately funding tends to follow the consensus, but its hard to find a perfect system. Tom Lockyer to Everyone: In the beginning there was a void and darkness was on the face of the deep. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: lol paul s to Everyone: There is EM radiation everywhere. There is also gravity everywhere. They are both represented as beams. Together they are the fabric of space or what people aether. T%hey are the aether and are always in motion in all directions. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, only I didfn't find it Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Light is a partcle Tom Lockyer to Everyone: Light generates its own motion Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Alfred - Possibly because aether or the fundamental continuum is the underlying basis of everything that exists upon which you are experimenting. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: We find all of it Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Should Prof Kiehn to Everyone: IN a plasma or hydromagnetic sense, the Aether can be defined as a topological space. NOt a geometric space. The Aether admits the interchange of both particles (mass) and waves (radiation). Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Let's build a bigger experiment to detect it Prof Kiehn to Everyone: Photons are Bosons and individual bosons are indistinguishable, hence they are not particles. Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Prof Kiehn - Distinguishing between topological space and geometric space is very important, I think. It may help resolve differences in vision. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Ok, if you fuse two hydrogen atoms into one helium atom, the two hydrogen atoms shed photons Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Might be possible to split a photon Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: David - Don't push us to hard toward conformity without giving us time for the input. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: I never discount anything Tom Lockyer to Everyone: Not possible to slit a photon, energy is a continum David de Hilster to Everyone: Cooperation, con conformity David de Hilster to Everyone: cooperation, NOT conformity Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Tom then 5 photon detector doesn't work David de Hilster to Everyone: (sorry, can't type) Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Energy has the capacity to "project " itself into space - spatial extension - which could be the field. paul s to Everyone: The term aether is a drag on any theory given the history of the term. David's term 'fabric' seems like a better building block Prof Kiehn to Everyone: energy and momentum can be trasported by "waves Alfred Schrader to Everyone: A mission statement Prof Kiehn to Everyone: and the transport is without transport of mass. Our PAL Asija to Everyone: We AGREE to disagree is the only agreement possible in NPA Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Yeah, my stuff is everywhere Alfred Schrader to Everyone: lol Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Yeah, I worked on the Shuttle Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: David - That is fine. The main point is to get the ideas "out there" so that others can work with them and that is what the NPA does. I agree about engineers. They have to make things work. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: How did CERN get $10 billion ? Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: The common statement will come from an agreement on sume fundamental principles such as conservation of momentum, energy etc. Those theories that violate that should be rejected. Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Alfred - Social power. There is a process, but it doesn't usually lead to meaningfull results. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: I'm available for personal appearances Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Even David's emotional statement is based upon an assumption. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: lol Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: I like Jerry's comment that we begin with what we can all agree with paul s to Everyone: There are 2 topics for mission stmt. One is the overview of what gravity is. The other is how to measure its effects in various situations. David de Hilster to Everyone: paul s: what is "S" D. Sarkadi to Everyone: I sronglz agree with this two points Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: We can't all speak aloud paul s to Everyone: schroeder. I did get my oissue fixed Alfred Schrader to Everyone: They did it to me. The LHC was built to study the graviton. I never got a dime D. Sarkadi to Everyone: The good assuptions are very important! Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: It is always the individual who creates the new ideas. Be grateful that we do not have to drink the hemlock. Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: But most new ideas are built on the old ones. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: lol Alfred Schrader to Everyone: We are the mainsteam Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Jerry - Yes. It is a cumulative effort. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: New ideas always get hammered Jerry Hynecek to Everyone: So, it is not wise to violate the old fundamental principles. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Some old priciples: world is flat, sun orbits earth, etc Our PAL Asija to Everyone: Part of the truth is an assumption Jaro Kopernicky to Everyone: And proving the new idea right i catastrophic Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: David - I agree with Pal that you may be one of the ones who is most rigid. Your points are well taken, but don't drive people away. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Truth is not fact Jaro Kopernicky to Everyone: Come on, Alfred.. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: ok Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Thank you David !!!!! Alfred Schrader to Everyone: THe world is better because of the NPA Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Let's do a documentary on this Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Bravo Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: I thought we had a good discussion today. Bob brought up Sarkadi' s work. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: When the bus stops, the earrh moves Alfred Schrader to Everyone: earth Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Again, if we solve gravity, I think we will solve it all. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Hey, who are the guys emailing everything ? Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Good point, Bob. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Boss at what company ? Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Thanks Dave Lou LaFollette2 to Everyone: Thanks, Bob and David. Alfred Schrader to Everyone: Good show Bob